id: dmm-2026-05-21-with-wolfgang

DMM 6回目 (Wolfgang -- Omaha Nebraska、料理/発酵食/ラグビー、相撲の街両国・言語習得論)

2026-05-21講師: Wolfgang (US, Omaha Nebraska -- cooking / fermenting / homebrew / rugby)25 分128 ターン

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生徒 64 / 講師 64 ・ NATIVE化 1/64 ・ ENGAGED化 61/64 ・ chunk = 3文ずつ

NATIVE

俺の表現の修正

自然な native 口語 + 一言しゃれた表現。明日の自分が言えるべきレベル。

ENGAGED

本物の会話の深さ

punchline じゃない。逆質問・vulnerability・具体的 observation・pushback。本気で engaged な native conversationalist が同じトピックでどう返すか。

TEACHER

講師の native 表現

講師は本物の native。各 chunk をそのまま素材として登録 = pure native input。

#1
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
How are you doing tonight?
#2
生徒 (とにお)
Hello. Yeah, I'm doing great. How are you?
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Doing well, thanks -- though it's late evening here, so you're getting the end-of-day version of me. Slower, but honestly a little more relaxed. The morning version of me tries much harder and enjoys it much less.
#3
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Very good, so just starting my day. Uh, so I'm uh waiting to drink my first cup of coffee, but yeah, so just starting my day and then my name is Wolfgang and I'm from Omaha, Nebraska, so Omaha...
#4
生徒 (とにお)
Oh, you're in Nebraska right now.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Omaha, Nebraska -- right in the middle of the country. And I have to admit, I have no mental image of that part of America at all. My whole picture of the US is the two coasts: New York on one side, California on the other, and a huge blank space in between where, apparently, you actually live.
#5
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yes, so yeah. Very early.
#6
生徒 (とにお)
1/2So that's why you are time time difference. You just started your day. And I finished my day.
2/2Almost. Yeah.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
So we're not just in different time zones, we're basically in different days. You're at the very start of yours, coffee not even poured. I'm at the end of mine, winding down.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
It's a strange thought -- this conversation only exists in the few hours where our two separate days happen to overlap.
#7
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/2
Yeah, good. Good. And then uh for hobbies I played rugby for many years and now my hobby is cooking and I'm learning to cook Japanese and my best dish is Japanese curry with Fukujinzuke, the lucky gods pickles.
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 2/2
I also make Okonomiyaki and then I also make fermented foods, so I also make uh...
#8
生徒 (とにお)
Natto? You make your natto?
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Wait, stop -- you said fermented foods, and I need to know how far this actually goes. Cooking Japanese curry, fine, plenty of people do that. But fermentation is a different level of commitment entirely.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Please do not tell me a man from Nebraska has made his own natto.
#9
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Well yeah, this is miso. This is Koji rice for miso, but yeah, I also have made natto before.
#10
生徒 (とにお)
Wow. Made, you made?
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#11
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah, I made.
#12
生徒 (とにお)
Self-made natto. I never heard of this! You're more Japanese than you know most Japanese people.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Homemade natto is, I'm sorry, just a flat-out flex. I think you've quietly out-Japanesed me, and I was born and raised here. There's something funny in that, though -- you chose all of this on purpose: the curry, the miso, the natto.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
I just inherited mine and never once thought about it.
#13
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah and then I also make my own beer. Uh so I make my own beer with original ingredients: water, hops, barley, and yeast.
#14
生徒 (とにお)
Amazing.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Brewing your own beer too -- water, hops, barley, yeast, the whole thing from nothing. At this point your hobbies have stopped being hobbies. They're a small, self-sufficient civilization.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
You could feed and entertain an entire household without ever leaving your kitchen.
#15
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah, so that's a little bit about me. What about yourself, Taishi-san?
#16
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah, you know, thank you so... it's so how to say... variable information from your side and you got a slide and you know maybe you you did like a thousand times also you it's like you know you prepared and yeah you're very good at you know because it's like a hundred thousands you know the same same thing right?
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
You're right that it's rehearsed -- and honestly, a rehearsed introduction isn't fake, it's just respectful. You worked out, in advance, which forty seconds of your life are actually worth my time, and you cut everything else. Most people's intros ramble because they're deciding what to say while they're saying it.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Yours sounds practiced because the editing already happened, alone, before you ever got here.
#17
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah, cause I know there's gonna be... Yeah, exactly.
#18
生徒 (とにお)
1/3But yeah, it works. Yeah, I think it's very important to repeat what you've remembered. For me, you know, I'm here to study English.
2/3So that's why I'm I'm really fascinated by your introduction. But because some some of the teachers, you know DMM teachers, their introduction is not that defined and just you know very very like few information and I cannot fully feel or resonate with them because of that intro. So yeah, and you exactly you know explained yourself in a 40 40 or 50 seconds and with dense information where you're from, what you're doing.
3/3Yeah, thank you so much.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
I'll go one step further than that. A vague introduction doesn't just bore me -- it quietly makes the whole lesson transactional. If I can't picture your kitchen, your Nebraska, your rugby, then you're not a person to me, you're just a voice correcting my grammar.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Detail is the thing that turns a lesson into a conversation. So when a teacher gives me three flat sentences, what bothers me isn't the laziness -- it's that they've already decided this is a service, not a meeting between two people.
#19
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Oh, you're welcome.
#20
生徒 (とにお)
And on my side, yeah, I'm you know I'm not good at introduction, you know, even in Japanese, but yeah, I work in the some some kind of construction industry, um finishing job, touching finishing like a like the customers actually can watch the final finishing touching job like wallpapering, installing wallpaper, and or flooring...
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
I'm in construction -- but the finishing end specifically, the last layer that goes on. And that one position quietly changes the entire job. The framers, the electricians, the plumbers -- their work gets covered up, so their mistakes get covered up along with it.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Mine never does. I'm not building the house. I'm building the part of it the client actually looks at, every single day, for the next twenty years.
#21
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Touch up jobs.
#22
生徒 (とにお)
1/2Touch up. Yeah, finishing kind of like last stroke, last thing, you know we did we does we do in this industry. So very so customers actually can see our results so it's very difficult...
2/2many complaints, you know? Because if you are like you know the the very like early construction stage people can't see and people you know can't access whether they are really good at it or you know just cutting corners...
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
The genuinely unfair thing about finishing work is the timing of it. A framer can cut a corner, and it stays sealed inside the wall for ten or twenty years -- by the time it finally shows, nobody even remembers whose hands did it. I cut one corner and the client sees it the second they walk into the room.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
So 'good enough' simply isn't a setting available to me. My mistakes don't get a grace period.
#23
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah, that's true. 20 like 10 20 years later.
#24
生徒 (とにお)
Yes, yes, yes. Ask a carpenter you know you know we know the answer. So but for for you know what I'm doing daily is the finishing touch job so everyone knows amateurs can sense you know wallpapering you know there is some kind of dents dents or like you know some kind of a yeah yeah so it's very um how to say...
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
And it isn't only professionals who can judge my work -- that's the hard part of it. Anyone can. A complete amateur walks into the room, and their eye lands on the one small bump in the wallpaper before they've even taken in the whole space.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Bad framing hides. Bad finishing announces itself, loudly, to everybody.
#25
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Bumps or dents.
#26
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah, handling handling customers properly or yeah customer service kind of like job is required. Not just only doing their jobs craftsman style, yeah.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
So really the job is two jobs wearing one uniform: craftsmanship and customer service. Nobody warns you about the second one when you start. You spend years getting genuinely good with your hands, and then you discover that skill alone isn't enough -- you also have to manage the mood of the person standing right there, watching you work.
#27
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah.
#28
生徒 (とにお)
1/2So it's challenging, not not that rewarding actually, and it's not you know it doesn't pay much. But yeah I'm doing that job because you know because of the how to say how life goes, you know I just ended up in this job you know somehow. Yeah.
2/2And uh I actually studied abroad a little bit in America, you know in the US. It's only like a few months exchange, California, and yeah.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Honestly, I never chose this job -- I drifted into it. People love a clean career story, with a real decision somewhere in the middle, but mine is just 'how life goes,' one thing quietly leading to the next. The single most deliberate thing I ever did was a short exchange in California, years ago.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Strange, isn't it -- the unplanned life is the one I'm actually living, and the one real adventure I chose has ended up as a footnote.
#29
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
In LA or NorCal or SoCal? Northern we say NorCal SoCal. That'd be Northern California, Southern California.
#30
生徒 (とにお)
Ah, maybe NorCal. Yeah yeah yeah I forgot the name of I'm acting because it's so like human's only you know you see not the UCLA you know I'm not that smart, so um but some kind of like local state university.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
NorCal, I'm fairly sure -- some state university whose name has completely fallen out of my head. Definitely not UCLA, though. Let's just say I was never in any danger of being recruited by UCLA, in any sense of the word.
#31
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah. Mhm.
#32
生徒 (とにお)
1/2And so I so that's my yeah English background and I'm here to speak. And uh listening side I'm actually maybe okay. It's not you know I know I'm not here to like you know listening you know I'm daily watching YouTube videos in English or subtitles that kind of stuff, so I'm okay with listening side.
2/2And I'm maybe you hear most of like Japanese people are very into MLB, you are into you did you are background was football you said.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Listening was never really my problem -- I came here purely to force myself to speak. But I want to back up, because you said something I almost let slip past me. You mentioned a sport, and I assumed I already knew which one -- in my head, an American man comes pre-loaded with football or baseball.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
So when you said football, did you actually mean football?
#33
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Rugby, amateur.
#34
生徒 (とにお)
Ah sorry I'm sorry rugby is I think it's rare right because Japanese many like Americans like uh into NFL? NFL?
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Rugby -- okay, that genuinely surprises me. In my mental map, an American sports person is football or baseball by default; rugby almost feels like a European answer. So now I'm honestly curious how an American ends up choosing the one sport his entire country mostly ignores.
#35
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/2
Yeah. Yeah, NFL. Yeah we would just say American football.
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 2/2
Or just like we would never say into MLB, we would say into baseball.
#36
生徒 (とにお)
Baseball. Yeah baseball, into basketball, into baseball, into hockey, into football...
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Got it -- 'into baseball,' not 'into MLB. ' I'm going to repeat that to myself five times after this call so it actually sticks. That's the exact kind of thing no textbook ever teaches you: not the word itself, but which word a real person would naturally reach for.
#37
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah.
#38
生徒 (とにお)
But you are you grew up in you know do uh rugby, doing the rugby?
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
So were you a rugby kid right from the start, or did it find you later in life? I ask because the timing of it really matters -- a sport you're handed as a child and a sport you choose as an adult become two completely different things inside a person.
#39
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Uh when I started when I was a university student.
#40
生徒 (とにお)
1/2Oh. University where? In America?
2/2American university?
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
University, not childhood -- now that's interesting. Picking up a full-contact sport as a grown adult takes a very specific kind of person. You no longer have a child's blind fearlessness; you know exactly what a body breaking feels like, and you walk onto the field anyway.
#41
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah, University yeah University of Nebraska at Omaha.
#42
生徒 (とにお)
1/2Nebraska. Ah, maybe very sports you know encouraged university. I've heard of like Nebraska.
2/2I'm I'm not sure about what is famous for like baseball is famous in Nebraska also?
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Nebraska rings a faint bell as a serious sports state -- though if you actually pushed me, I couldn't name one single thing it's known for. That's the honest shape of my knowledge of America: a few loud cities, and then a lot of respectful blank space. So fill the blank in for me -- is Nebraska a baseball place?
#43
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/2
Well yeah I'd say so. Um we have the College World Series, kind of like you have the Koshien tournament in Osaka. Yeah we have the College World Series in Omaha.
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 2/2
So the the university...
#44
生徒 (とにお)
Ah, Hanazono. Hanazono you know? Maybe you are mentioning you Hanazono in rugby in Japan like national tournament in Japan.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Oh -- so you mean the rugby version, like our Hanazono? No, wait -- you said baseball, didn't you. I think I just heard the words 'national tournament' and my brain jumped straight to the wrong sport entirely.
#45
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Yeah, or well I'm comparing more to the high school baseball tournament, the Koshien tournament is maybe my pronunciation...
#46
生徒 (とにお)
Ah Koshien, yeah. Yeah. It's more similar to that.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Ah -- Koshien, the high-school baseball tournament. That comparison lands much better. You should know, though, that Koshien isn't really a tournament to us; it's closer to a national feeling.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Teenagers crying in the dirt, an entire country watching. Calling it a 'tournament' badly undersells it.
#47
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Probably I'd say.
#48
生徒 (とにお)
1/3But Hanazono is like a football, I mean rugby version of Koshien in Japan. And yeah I you know I was a baseball person. I played baseball in high school.
2/3But my high school is actually uh good for famous for rugby and yeah they actually went to the you know championship of you know Hanazono kind of Koshien style Koshien Koshien you know. Yeah, Hanazono we say Hanazono in rugby in Japan went to Osaka. I don't know where the Hanazono exactly located, terrible at you know geography you know.
3/3But yeah, so my friends most of friends uh they played uh rugby in high school, I played baseball, but and in just like a class you know just ah in my school we uh one of the uh PE class is for rugby.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Here's a quiet little tragedy from my school days. My high school was a genuine rugby powerhouse -- the team went all the way to the national championship at Hanazono. And there I was, on the baseball team, completely ignoring the famous thing happening forty meters away from me.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Honestly, I think that's a pattern with me: I'm always standing right next to the exciting story, quietly playing the smaller one beside it.
#49
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Mm, okay.
#50
生徒 (とにお)
So I did, I actually you know practiced and did you know so I knew I knew the rule, I know the rule...
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
I do know rugby from the inside, though -- we actually played it in PE class. I was bad at it, genuinely bad. But there's a real difference between watching a sport and having once stood inside the chaos of it.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
I at least know what that confusion feels like from the middle of the field.
#51
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Practiced. Mhm.
#52
生徒 (とにお)
The rules, plural.
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#53
講師
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The rules, yeah.
#54
生徒 (とにお)
So that's why I'm you know your intro kind of got me a little bit about rugby.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
And that's exactly why your introduction worked on me -- you said 'rugby' and a small door opened. That's what a good intro actually does: it doesn't just inform you, it leaves a few honest handholds for the other person to grab. Most introductions are smooth walls.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Yours had a crack I could get my fingers into.
#55
講師
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Did you see the World Cup when it was in rugby, when it was in Japan?
#56
生徒 (とにお)
Uh, mm not that into.
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Hmm, honestly I'm not that into it.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Not that into it, honestly -- I'll watch if it's on, but I'm not the rugby guy.
#57
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Like 20 20 I think 2023.
#58
生徒 (とにお)
1/22023. Yeah. Yeah it was huge in Japan at that time.
2/2You know always in Japan you know that baseball is huge, big, always.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Right, around then. The fixed fact about Japan is that baseball is the permanent background hum -- it never actually leaves. Everything else, rugby included, gets one brief, bright turn in the spotlight and then quietly goes home.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Baseball is the room; the other sports are just visitors passing through it.
#59
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Mhm. Mhm.
#60
生徒 (とにお)
1/2Many people are really huge fan you know of watching baseball here. Not that much famous compared to baseball you know rugby is yeah. And but a 2023 World Cup maybe rugby maybe uh made an impact on Japanese you know society, many society noticed that rugby is huge, rugby is also uh really fun to watch.
2/2So that is uh what I remember about what happened in you know that period, that time rugby, so everybody uh started you know interested in watching that watching the rugby. So it really ends up well in rugby people in Japan.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
That rugby World Cup did something genuinely strange to Japan -- for one season, a country that only ever has eyes for baseball actually fell for the sport. But I've always quietly doubted how real that was. A huge event can rent a country's attention; it can't quite buy it.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
My honest guess is that most of those new fans drifted straight back to baseball the moment the trophy was lifted.
#61
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
Mhm. So yeah lots of people became fans of rugby because of the of the of the World Cup, yeah.
#62
生徒 (とにお)
Became fans, yes, yes. Because of the World Cup, yes.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Right -- a whole wave of new fans, created by a single tournament. That's the strange power of one big event: it can genuinely rewrite what an entire country chooses to look at, at least for a while. The real question is always whether the new habit outlives the excitement that created it.
#63
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
And what part of Japan are you from?
#64
生徒 (とにお)
1/2Oh, I'm you know I'm right now in the middle of Tokyo. Actually uh I'm here now I'm Ryogoku area, which is famous for sumo. Sumo wrestlers, you know, the sacred how to say sacred place for sumo you know sumo wrestlers kind of you know the place.
2/2And many Japanese foreign visitors yeah yeah yeah many foreigners you know visiting and so I'm my daily life you know I see a lot of tourists in this area, my working place is this right.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
I work in Ryogoku -- the sumo neighborhood, the spiritual home of the whole sport. And it's a genuinely strange place to spend your working life. One half of it is sacred: the arena, the training stables, wrestlers who look like they walked straight out of another century.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
The other half is a tourist set, with everyone busily photographing the first half. I spend my days in the seam between those two things.
#65
講師
TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1
What type of souvenirs do they buy?
#66
生徒 (とにお)
Sure, uh I don't follow, I don't you know check, but but they are like maybe just enjoying the Japanese cheap economy right now, you know, they take advantage of that so there are many a lot of visitors you know coming from all all over the world.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Honestly, I don't track what the tourists actually buy -- but I know exactly why they're here, and it isn't really our culture. It's the exchange rate. The weak yen quietly turned the entire country into a discount store.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
And there's a strange feeling buried in that: watching the world come to visit your home, mostly because your home went on sale.
#67
講師
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Do they come and try Chanko Nabe?
#68
生徒 (とにお)
Maybe, because I noticed, you know I'm really I'm not living I'm living in Saitama prefecture and commuting to this place, you know, Tokyo Ryogoku, one hour train ride.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1
Maybe -- but honestly, I'd be the wrong person to ask. I'm a commuter here, not a local; a full hour each way from Saitama. So I see Ryogoku the way a stagehand sees a theatre: I know the building intimately, but I never actually sit down and watch the show.
#69
講師
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Mhm.
#70
生徒 (とにお)
And so I'm also, so this is my uh Ryogoku is my place to work and uh mm you know so and I notice many like shops, uh clothes store how say clothes store shut down, closed down, and replaced with like tourist touristy you know sumo...
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Here's something I've watched happen slowly, up close. The ordinary shops -- the clothing stores, the places locals actually used -- keep quietly closing. And sumo souvenir stores keep opening where they stood.
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 2/2
Year by year, the neighborhood is being gently rewritten for people who don't live here. It's still where I work, but it has slowly stopped being a place that's for me.
#71
講師
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Yeah. Sumo merchandise.
#72
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah yeah yeah, sumo merchandise, amateur you know and uh sumo wrestlers, maybe they are in you know not pro stage, and they are like...
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And it's gone past merchandise now -- there are these sumo guys around the area who aren't quite the real thing. Sort of sumo-shaped. The neighborhood doesn't just sell sumo souvenirs anymore; it has started performing sumo itself, for the cameras.
#73
講師
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Like toy, like toy sumo wrestlers or what?
#74
生徒 (とにお)
Uh no, actual sumo wrestlers uh playing like actual like live live street playing kind of like yeah.
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No, no -- real human ones, full-sized. They do live sumo right out on the street for the crowd to watch. Picture a street performer, except the performance is two enormous men actually colliding with each other, a metre away from your coffee.
#75
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Okay, they're kind of like role playing as sumo wrestlers...
#76
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah role playing, yeah. They are not you know maybe amateur amateur...
ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/2
Yeah -- it's basically sumo as a live show for tourists. The technique is real, the bodies are real. It's only the career behind it that's missing.
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Genuine skill, performing inside the costume of a life it never quite got to have.
#77
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Like ex sumo wrestlers. Amateurs. Yeah.
#78
生徒 (とにお)
Ex yeah ex or you know before they they go pro you know before pro level yeah. So yeah I yeah I think the sumo is big in here and I see yeah frequently uh sumo wrestlers uh just you know riding bicycles just casually here.
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The thing that still stops me, even after all these years: actual sumo wrestlers, just casually riding bicycles around the neighborhood. A man who weighs 150 kilos, on an ordinary bicycle, heading out for groceries. Honestly, that single image is the whole area in one frame -- something legendary and something completely ordinary, sharing the exact same street.
#79
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Okay, yeah. Yeah. And uh is it possible for foreigners to get tickets to a sumo match or because I hear it's very diff you have to know somebody to get like tickets to a sumo match.
#80
生徒 (とにお)
Uh I don't think so, it's just nowadays maybe it's it's all for foreigners. Japanese tourists, ah not Japanese like huge yeah uh maybe the really sincere I don't know uh huge fans are in their 70s or 80s, you know they're old, young Japanese people don't give a damn about you know watching wrestling sumo wrestling it's and instead foreigners are the revenue income for the you know maybe sumo industry right now, where maybe they are depending on the foreigners. So that's why they are like trying to yeah uh yeah uh yeah doing the it's maybe not they they are giving up on Japanese people and uh they are trying to reach foreign customers.
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Here's the honest, slightly sad shape of it. Sumo's true diehard fans are nearly all in their seventies and eighties now. Young Japanese genuinely don't care -- and it isn't even rebellion, it's pure indifference, which is somehow worse.
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So foreign tourists aren't a pleasant bonus for sumo anymore; they are the life support. A tradition this old, kept breathing by people who flew in last week -- I genuinely can't decide whether that's beautiful or a warning.
#81
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Yeah, that's their growth market.
#82
生徒 (とにお)
Growth market, yes.
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#83
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Yeah. I guess so it's easy it's not it's it's easy even easier than you know...
#84
生徒 (とにお)
Maybe they are selling tickets for foreigners, not Japanese people right now, I guess. I never visited, I never watched in real, in real, in real...
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And here comes my personal confession, the awkward one. I have never once been to a live match. The tickets may be aimed squarely at foreigners now, but the deeper truth is simpler than that -- a local like me just never went.
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I had a whole lifetime of chances and quietly used none of them.
#85
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Live.
#86
生徒 (とにお)
In live, yeah live.
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Live -- yes, that's the word I was reaching for. And it matters here, because watching sumo on a screen and feeling the floor actually shift under a collision are not the same event at all. I've only ever had the screen version of it.
#87
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Yeah, I never watched a live sumo match.
#88
生徒 (とにお)
Watched live, yes. Even though you know, five minutes walk to the place.
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And here's the part that's genuinely embarrassing: the arena is a five-minute walk from where I work. You're sitting in Nebraska with a far better excuse than I will ever have. Sometimes the things standing closest to us are exactly the ones we somehow never reach.
#89
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Uh-huh, yes. Are you originally from uh the uh Kanto region?
#90
生徒 (とにお)
Yes, Saitama. Saitama prefecture. Uh up to the Tokyo, you know the next to Tokyo.
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Yeah -- Saitama, right next to Tokyo. It's the prefecture Tokyo people make gentle, affectionate jokes about; the polite term is 'the commuter belt. ' Close enough to the centre to watch it every day, never quite the centre itself.
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Which, now that I say it out loud, might describe a little more than just my hometown.
#91
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Uh-huh.
#92
生徒 (とにお)
And yeah born in yeah born and raised in Saitama prefecture, just you know going through how say gone through the typical Japanese education whether it's good or bad, you know, just typical Japanese.
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Born and raised there, and I ran through the completely standard Japanese education -- the default settings, nothing customized. The honest part is that I can't tell you whether that was good or bad, because I've never had anything else to hold it against. That's the quiet trap of a typical upbringing: you only find out what it did to you years later, by accident.
#93
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Mhm.
#94
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My english you know english education also very typical.
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And my English education was textbook-typical too -- which is the polite way of saying six years of grammar drills and almost no actual speaking. They taught us to analyse the language like a corpse laid out on a table. Nobody ever mentioned it was supposed to be alive.
#95
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Yeah, mhm.
#96
生徒 (とにお)
And uh yeah but yeah english is for me always like um fascinated by the English, especially listening side. I'm not interested in like um trying to expressing myself in English because um it's listening is my listening English is kind of a music to my ear.
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Here's something a little strange about me that I should just say out loud. I love English the way a person loves music -- I want to listen to it, to sit inside it, far more than I ever want to produce it. Speaking has always felt like being handed an instrument and told to perform, when all I wanted was to enjoy the song.
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So I'm in a slightly absurd position: here every day, training hard at the exact part of English I don't actually enjoy.
#97
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Listening to English.
#98
生徒 (とにお)
Listening to English is is very comforting or like just fun. And speaking side is very struggling, you know you can see you can sense, but yeah because you know it's a whole different game you know when it comes to speaking uh you know pub producing words in English.
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Listening and speaking honestly feel like two completely different skills that just happen to share one name. Listening is comfort -- I can do it half-asleep, and often do. Speaking is labour -- every sentence has to be built by hand, while someone stands there watching you build it.
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People file them both under 'English,' but in my body they live in completely different rooms.
#99
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Uh-huh.
#100
生徒 (とにお)
It's a yeah daily struggle. But yeah I'm here to speak and uh because um even though I'm not inter that interested in speaking side, but so my whole like enthusiasm enthusiasm I'm enthusiastic about like language. So and I'm also really um try to deep try to study deep or dig dig deep into the uh language what how language you you acquired in language you know the kind of how say second language acquisition kind of method or study or you know there's so many you know studies you know PhD you know publishing the what how acquire how we acquire the native language mother tongue, yeah.
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There's a real contradiction running right through me, and I've finally stopped fighting it. I don't enjoy speaking -- but I'm genuinely obsessed with the science of how humans acquire a language. I'll happily read a dense academic paper on second-language acquisition, and then carefully avoid opening my mouth for a week.
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It's like loving absolutely everything about swimming except the actual water.
#101
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Mhm.
#102
生徒 (とにお)
So I'm in you know I'm kind of a little bit uh interested in language acquisition.
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So yeah, language acquisition has quietly become an obsession of mine. And it's a strange hobby, when I look straight at it: I study the theory of the exact thing I'm worst at doing. A man reading every book ever written about the ocean, from a very safe seat on the shore.
#103
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Mhm.
#104
生徒 (とにお)
1/3So in order to study hard or you have to immerse yourself first. Not like outsider studying outsider like uh studying how to acquire English or second language because even you know because I think it's not fair if you are really interested in studying uh another language acquisition you have to immerse you have to put yourself into the position where you are actually, wow this is it works for me, you know the speaking side, and the listening side maybe I'm okay with listening um movies are really difficult. I don't know why.
2/3It's movies are really difficult. It's uh maybe last and holy grail of us uh with no no subtitles watching the movies is maybe it's really really hard to achieve that. But daily conversation one on one conversation and just watching YouTube casually, listening is it's not not my issue not my weak point, it's okay.
3/3So but speaking side it's you have to try you have to produce daily. And my environment is nothing to do with English. So you know just this 20 or 25 minutes of this DMM Eikaiwa and I started actually five days ago you know about five yeah.
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You called subtitle-free movies the holy grail, and I think you're exactly right -- but let me tell you why they're so much harder than conversation, and it isn't your English. When you talk to me, you're constantly adjusting: slowing down, rephrasing, watching my face for the exact second I get lost. A movie does none of that.
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It was built for native speakers, at full speed, with no mercy at all. So when a film outruns you, you're not failing at English -- you're just meeting something that was never designed to meet you halfway.
#105
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You are the 6th person.
#106
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah yeah I you know I did beforehand and I did like 2022 or yeah but I stopped so I'm back again picked it up again and here I am to try to speak and uh how say using myself as a guinea pig to you know to yeah I'm I'm reaching I'm trying different methods daily whether it's working for me or you know not.
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The way I genuinely think about it: I'm an experiment with exactly one test subject -- me. Every single day I change one variable, try one different method, and just watch what it does. Scientifically, a study with one subject proves absolutely nothing, and I know that.
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But here's the thing -- I don't actually need it to be science. I only need to find the one method that works on this one specific brain.
#107
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Yeah you're seeing what works for you, seeing what works for you.
#108
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah seeing what works for you. Yeah. I think there is no one method that works everyone, you know, people are different.
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Right -- there's no universal method, and honestly that's the part people hate hearing. Everyone wants the recipe, the one that somebody else already tested and proved. But with language there is no shared recipe; there's only the slow, slightly annoying work of cooking your own and tasting as you go.
#109
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Mhm.
#110
生徒 (とにお)
1/2So teach their own kind of style. Yeah. But I think yeah the there is something um real deep knowledge or insight about language acquiring.
2/2Maybe I want your opinion about it because you are you know English teacher, so you know you know much more about me and you are you know you are dealing with a lot of Japanese people and how they feel about you know they're really different but the core is maybe the same, they are here to speak right?
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Let me genuinely put you on the spot here, because you have data I will simply never have. You've sat across from hundreds of Japanese learners, one after another. We almost certainly all walk in carrying the same invisible mistake -- something so common that none of us can ever see it in ourselves.
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From your side of the screen, what is it? What's the blind spot every single one of us shares?
#111
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Yeah, all of them are all of them are here to improve their speaking because of the of the rules...
#112
生徒 (とにお)
So what's your general opinion about or like where they are struggling or how yeah what's your like a take on this industry?
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And please -- not the encouraging-teacher version of the answer. Give me the version you'd give another teacher, off the clock, with no student in the room. After hundreds of us, you have definitely formed an opinion about this whole industry that you would never say to a paying customer's face.
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That's the one I actually want to hear.
#113
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Okay, now I'll give I'll give, so I'll give you one generalization that's probably true for everyone, but uh I'll say that many people struggle in different areas. Um uh so the struggles are very different uh that that people have. Um but I'll go I'll go to what's what's similar between everyone first.
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So in a way, um like say learning a language uh is also you know yes it's about immersion, um but in a way it's it's also like a gym membership. In that um um and that uh you have to get the muscle memory, you have to get that you know that that that language memory going in your head. And uh um you know of course some people go to the gym and they work out very lightly, there's some people who go to the gym and you know they're lifting really heavily and some people who are taking steroids and all kinds of stuff and they get they get the most out of it.
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So...
#114
生徒 (とにお)
I want I want steroids you know English steroids. Is there any you know short yeah steroids you know yeah no magic bullet yeah.
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I'll be honest with you -- I walked into this looking for the English equivalent of steroids, some shortcut that quietly skips the work. And your gym metaphor just strolled over and killed that hope right in front of me. There's no shortcut, is there.
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Somewhere I already knew that; I just wanted a stranger in Nebraska to be the one who finally said it out loud.
#115
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So the the problem with the the steroids is that it's you have to put a lot of work into it. And um most uh most students uh you know they come uh like you know they they you know they had a long day at work um and then so like like like for that you know doing doing a daily news activity you know something like that just you know keeping it easy...
#116
生徒 (とにお)
They come in tired already.
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Right -- most people arrive already running on empty. Which means you almost never meet your students at their best; you meet the worn-down version, the one left over after the real day has already taken all the good hours. Teaching the leftovers of a person well is its own difficult, underrated skill.
#117
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Yeah they come in tired already, they have they have zero time to prepare. So you know doing doing one of the daily news activities or something like that is you know I don't think it's not gonna work in a in a long it's yeah they are just here and uh yeah but um true true how to say um improvement happens when you are really into it and here come prepared at least. And review is also important review you know after review.
#118
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah actually I'm reading up the uh entire my system you know since in this age you know you you can use AI to what they what what you what you want to do. And uh vibe coding I'm actually a vibe coder, no no knowledge about coding, but I'm building my English app for myself. So it's really interesting yeah.
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Here's the project that's quietly eating my life. I can't code -- not a single line, never could. But I'm building my own English-learning app anyway, just by talking to an AI in plain English: make this, change that, fix the other thing.
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They call it vibe coding. Ten years ago the whole dream would have died at 'I can't code'; now that wall simply isn't there anymore, and honestly I'm still adjusting to a world where it's gone.
#119
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Yeah, so so so going to the like the vibe coding thing, so one of the things that I was gonna recommend is you know like uh the actual learning to code. Um in that uh um okay so um like I recommend like professional writing for a lot of my uh um really advanced students. Um where uh you know a good simple structure for a 25-minute class is that they would write uh like maybe four or five sentences themselves before class.
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You know about anything you know.
#120
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah next time I'll do this. I'll write something again.
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Writing four or five sentences before class -- alright, I'll genuinely do that. And it's funny: of everything we've said tonight, the lowest-tech advice is probably the one that actually changes something. The exciting methods are the ones I chase.
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The boring ones are the ones that quietly work.
#121
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And then and then with that um then with that I could uh edit it for them in real time, and then work on logical structure, um work on why I chose certain words, uh things like that. Um and uh you know that that's a that's a good way to do it. Now um you could do that with AI as well too, um and it could explain it to you, but um uh sometimes there's some like like uh like some nuances in trying to explain things in a native way, a natural way, and then with like follow-up questions um like say like building it from there.
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Um so um yeah I think you know getting you know getting that logical structure um and like re like learning being a good writer like learn like if you just have AI write it for you you're never going to learn how to write, you're just going to learn how to copy and paste it, but learning how to write it for yourself um is what makes you a good speaker. And that's not only true for you know non-native speakers, that's true for native speakers as well um because yeah like I mean when I started at the university I I couldn't write that well, I wasn't a good speaker, but learning how to write professionally, uh learning how to structure my thoughts, and organize my thoughts, is what really took me...
#122
生徒 (とにお)
Even you, English native speaker struggled at first.
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Wait -- so even you, a native speaker, had to be taught how to write properly? That's quietly comforting to hear. I'd assumed native speakers came with good writing pre-installed, like a built-in feature.
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It's strangely reassuring that structure is hard for everyone -- it means I'm not behind, I'm just in line.
#123
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Exactly. So that's one thing to do is like just just write about anything and it doesn't have to be good, you know just you know like complain about one of your customers, write about you know the tourists looking at sumo wrestlers...
#124
生徒 (とにお)
You know next time just I'll come prepared writing about something and uh we talk about that topic and uh yeah I'm I'm really okay with you know going flow with your teaching style. Next time yeah I'll come prepared.
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Alright -- deal. Next time I'll genuinely arrive with something written. And knowing me, it'll be a quiet rant about a difficult customer, because that is a well that truly never runs dry.
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Maybe that's the real trick hiding inside your homework: it isn't just giving us English to fix, it's giving us permission to complain in a second language.
#125
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And if you don't don't come prepared, no problem. Free conversation.
#126
生徒 (とにお)
Yeah yeah yeah just casually you know talking about you know yeah I'm really curious about you know your background you know the America the you know where you are born and what what's you're going through being through and uh yeah just casual thing and serious stuff yeah.
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And next time, fair warning -- the questions are coming straight back at you. Nebraska, rugby, the entire fermenting-and-homebrew operation; I want the full version. You gave me a clean, rehearsed intro today, and it was genuinely good.
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But a rehearsed intro is only ever the trailer. Next time I want the scenes that don't usually make the final cut.
#127
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Excellent. Alright, Taishi. Alright, see you again soon.
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Have a wonderful rest of your night.
#128
生徒 (とにお)
1/2Thank you so much. I'll book you again. Thank you so much.
2/2Bye bye.
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Thank you, Wolfgang -- I'm rebooking you, that part is already decided. Now go and have that first cup of coffee; you've genuinely earned it, if only for sitting through twenty-five minutes of my English. It's morning where you are, a whole day still ahead of you.
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Mine is over. Spend one of those daylight hours well, for me.