← DMM 一覧
id: dmm-2026-06-01-with-vukasin
DMM 15回目 (Vukasin / Serbia 34歳) -- 建設業界 / 英語没入 / Pokémon GO世代論 / AIアプリ / 人間 vs AI講師
2026-06-01講師: Vukasin (Serbia, 34, English teacher)25 分22 ターン
3-tier (native+engaged) v2。 挨拶/自己紹介の定型は省略し substantive topic に集中。 各 native/engaged は2-3 short sentences (1チャンク=覚えられるカード長)。 建設業界の用語を native に。 Source: docs/dmm-conversations/2026-06-01-with-vukasin.md
今表示中のチャンク全部を /english/training に登録。
あとで一覧画面で要らないものを削除する運用。
あとで一覧画面で要らないものを削除する運用。
生徒 12 / 講師 10 ・ NATIVE化 12/12 ・ ENGAGED化 12/12 ・ chunk = 3文ずつ
NATIVE
俺の表現の修正
自然な native 口語 + 一言しゃれた表現。 明日の自分が言えるべきレベル。
ENGAGED
本物の会話の深さ
punchline じゃない。 逆質問・vulnerability・具体的 observation・pushback。 本気で engaged な native conversationalist が同じトピックでどう返すか。
TEACHER
講師の native 表現
講師は本物の native。 各 chunk をそのまま素材として登録 = pure native input。
- #1講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1So tell me a bit about yourself — your work, your hobbies, anything.
- #2生徒 (とにお)1/2And yeah, my daily job is about construction. So I play a part in building from the ground up, a lot of management jobs. The construction industry is very complex, so segmented.2/2It's not one craftsman like 200 years ago — hundreds or thousands of people are involved to build one apartment complex. I work in Tokyo, a very busy area, and demand is high — not for families, just for singles. Very small, tiny apartment units.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1I work in construction, on the management side of ground-up builds. It's a hugely fragmented industry — it takes hundreds of people to deliver one apartment block. I'm in central Tokyo, where demand for compact, single-occupancy units is intense.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1Two hundred years ago one craftsman built a whole house and could point at it. You can't — your name is on a sliver of a tower a thousand hands touched. Does that ever feel a little lonely?
- #3講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1Now you're doing just tiny apartments for people without a family.
- #4生徒 (とにお)1/2Tiny apartments, yes. Tokyo is very small landscape-wise, a very dense, packed city, a lot of buildings next to each other. So the older buildings, like 50 years old, they have to be demolished.2/2There's a segment where we demolish the building to the ground, and then recreate a new one.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1Exactly — compact units, and demand is enormous. Tokyo is extremely dense, buildings packed wall to wall. So the old fifty-year-old stock gets demolished and we redevelop the site from scratch.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1Fifty years old and you tear it down — that would horrify a European. In Serbia people live in buildings three hundred years old; Tokyo treats a building like a phone you replace. Which trade-off would you rather live in?
- #5講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1So you're rebuilding — demolishing the old building and putting up a new one?
- #6生徒 (とにお)1/2Rebuilding, yes. Not remodeling — just demolished, everything flat, just the land. From zero to the final step takes two years.2/2I'm not familiar with the core or the structure; I'm mainly focused on management, supervising 10 or 20 people. My main focus is the final touch — not the foundation, but installing wallpaper, flooring, the finishing jobs the customer actually sees. It's very demanding because everybody notices the final touch.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1Rebuilding, yes — a full rebuild, not a remodel. From bare ground to handover takes about two years. My part isn't the structure; it's site management and the fit-out — the flooring, wallpaper, and final snagging the client actually sees.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1You said the finishing work isn't rewarding — but it's the only part anyone ever sees. Nobody admires the foundation; they see your floors and your wallpaper. You're not doing the leftover job — you're doing the part people live inside.
- #7講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1Do you have any hobbies — books, movies, music, sports, computer games?
- #8生徒 (とにお)1/2My hobby is maybe English. That's why I'm here. I'm really only watching English YouTube channels right now — no Japanese channels at all.2/2I seriously put myself into the English world.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1My main hobby is English itself. Right now I only watch English YouTube — no Japanese channels at all. I've basically put myself on an English-only diet.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1Cutting Japanese out completely isn't a hobby, it's a decision — and a slightly extreme one. You've starved your own brain of your native language on purpose. Where's your line — do you still read the news in Japanese?
- #9生徒 (とにお)1/2But I'm also a huge fan of baseball. I follow the MLB, and I'm a huge fan of the Los Angeles Dodgers — you might have heard of Shohei Ohtani. I played baseball through high school a little bit, but now I don't do anything physical.2/2Are you a sports guy?NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1I'm a huge baseball fan — big on the LA Dodgers and Shohei Ohtani. I played through high school, but now I just follow MLB from the couch. Are you into sports at all?ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1Here's the quiet tragedy: I used to play, now I only watch. Most men our age slowly trade doing for watching without noticing. Did that happen to you too?
- #10講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1I'm not much of a sports guy — I read books, play computer games, watch movies. I grew up on a PC; my father is a programmer.
- #11生徒 (とにお)1/2Yes, yes. Nintendo, Mario, Smash Bros. , that kind of stuff.2/2I grew up playing the typical Nintendo games. I also played Pokémon when I was like 7 — that was the first version they released, so I rode that wave. I played a little bit of Pokémon GO as well.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/2I grew up on Nintendo — Mario, Smash Bros. , all of it. I played the very first Pokémon at age seven, so I rode that first wave.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 2/2I dabbled in Pokémon GO too.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1I'm not a fan of Pokémon — I'm the exact generation it was built for. You missed those games and get to meet them fresh as an adult; I'm tangled up in nostalgia. Honestly, I envy that.
- #12講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1Ah, when you go out into the real world to actually find Pokémon.
- #13生徒 (とにお)1/2Yes. You have to walk around the city to catch Pokémon. It's augmented reality — it uses your smartphone's GPS, recognizes where you are, and Pokémon are in real places, so you go there to catch them or battle other trainers.2/2It was a world phenomenon, but I quit. I died down and got bored eventually.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1Right — you physically walk the city to catch them. It's augmented reality: the game reads your GPS and drops Pokémon into real places. It was a global craze, but I got bored and quit.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1The clever, slightly sinister part is what it did to walking. It tricked millions of people into exercise by dangling cartoon monsters. 'A game that fools you into being healthy' might be the best thing the tech ever did.
- #14講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1People got bored, yeah.
- #15生徒 (とにお)1/2Yes. But I noticed older people, in their 50s or 60s, who had no idea what Pokémon was, started the game to play with their grandkids and got hooked. It's funny — young guys lose interest, but the older guys in their 70s or 80s keep going.2/2Once they get a habit it's hard to break. And it's good for their health because they have a reason to go out and mingle with other players.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1But here's the reversal: seniors who'd never touched a game started it with their grandkids and got hooked. The young guys quit; the seventy- and eighty-year-olds keep going. It gets them outside and mingling — genuinely good for their health.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1The designers built a game for kids and accidentally invented elderly care. A reason to leave the house, gentle exercise, a community their own age — that's the exact prescription for loneliness, except a cartoon did it for free. Sometimes the people a thing is made for aren't the people it ends up saving.
- #16生徒 (とにお)1/2I'm also now, since this AI era, trying to build an application with AI coding. Have you heard of AI coding? You just talk to the AI, and it can build an app for you.2/2No coding or difficult language required.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1These days I'm building my own app using AI coding. You just talk to the AI in plain words and it writes the software for you. Have you heard of it?ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1The wild part is there's no special language anymore — I describe what I want like I'm telling you, and it builds it. The wall that kept people like me out for thirty years just dissolved. Does that feel like magic to you, or like cheating?
- #17講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1Using AI when you code? I don't know the details. Can it work almost completely on its own, or how much do you intervene?
- #18生徒 (とにお)1/2Almost completely. You can build your own app just talking to the AI, with no coding knowledge. I didn't even know what a programming language was.2/2But AI is such a genius — I can compete with some of the greatest engineers because it's so smart, better than Einstein. It's scary, but from my position, why not take the chance?NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1Almost completely — you can build a whole app with zero coding knowledge. I had none, yet I can compete with top engineers because the AI is that smart. It's a little scary, but why not take the chance?ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1I say I 'compete with great engineers,' but honestly the AI competes — I just hold the leash. Maybe that's enough now: the skill isn't writing the code, it's knowing what to build. A clear-headed amateur beats a genius who can't decide.
- #19講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1Are you developing the app right now? How is it progressing?
- #20生徒 (とにお)1/2Mainly I'm a serious English learner, specifically trying to speak. I'm not interested in certified tests like TOEIC or Eiken — I'm not into scoring things. I just want to speak clearly and express myself correctly.2/2I was here on DMM back in 2022, quit, and started again two weeks ago. You're the 15th class I've taken. Have you used the live AI tutor feature, where you talk to the AI in real time?NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1I'm a serious learner, but I'm done with tests like TOEIC — I'm not chasing scores. I just want to speak clearly and say what I mean. This is my fifteenth lesson back, and I practice every day.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1I dropped the exams on purpose. A test gives you a number, and the number quietly becomes the goal instead of saying what you mean. You're my scoreboard today, not an answer sheet.
- #21講師TEACHER講師の native 表現chunk 1/1I have spoken with AI, yes.
- #22生徒 (とにお)1/2It's so useful. But I'm also trying to be with actual humans, not AI — like you. AI doesn't ignite real passion or responsibility.2/2I'm a paying customer, you're paid, so we both have to show up, and that builds a relationship. With AI you can just close the tab and end it. AI is great, but I want to talk to a real person.NATIVE俺の表現の修正chunk 1/1AI tutors are useful, but I want real humans like you. Paying money and showing up creates real responsibility on both sides. With AI you just close the tab — there's no relationship.ENGAGED本物の会話の深さchunk 1/1It's not really about responsibility — it's about stakes. With AI nothing is risked, so your brain doesn't take it seriously. The small fear of embarrassing yourself in front of a real person is the whole engine.